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The glass backs on the new iPhones look way too reflective for my tastes (at least from the photos I've seen so far).

I like the matte black that they currently have on 7/7+.

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I'm also concerned about durability of the glass back but we'll have to wait till the phones are out in Real World (tm) to see how it fares.

@staticsafe my iphone 4 lasted ~4.5 years being dropped/kicked around without the glass breaking. it was a real trooper 😢

@theZacAttacks yeah and glass tech has only improved since then so it'll probably be fine

@staticsafe if anything it's these camera bumps that make me more and more nervous about laying my phone down :/

That same iPhone 4 had it's camera scratched all to hell and I had to use the front cam for everything (this is a Bad Time ™ )

@staticsafe I get what the bump is for, and I'm all for giving phones better camera tech, but........maybe make the phone thicker? or something

@theZacAttacks @staticsafe BUT.

We can't go around making phones thicker because of "logical reasons" like actually fitting the camera in the body or improving battery life!!?!?! that's MADNESS

@theZacAttacks eh, the camera bump hasn't been a problem for me personally on both the 6+ and my current 7+, no noticeable scratches on the lens protector.

@staticsafe it may not be a real issue, it just makes me super nervous. That scratched up camera lens made me super fearful of it happening again haha

I'm also mildly skeptical about the smoothness and reliability of Face ID vs. the current iteration of Touch ID but that will also have to wait till the hardware and software are out in the Real World (tm) used everyday by people in normal situations.

As for wireless charging, I'm glad they picked Qi, a standard adopted by the industry instead of creating some proprietary one of their own.

(Also, finally, jeez Apple.)

@staticsafe Apple's waited so long for adding wireless charging that most of the Android companies have already removed it again.

@kepstin will be funny to see the Android OEMs do an about face next year then

@staticsafe the main reason it's been removed from Android phones was of course so they could put metal backs on the phones… to copy the then-current iPhone design. Currently no way to make wireless charging work with a metal phone back.

@staticsafe In fact, even just getting NFC (for e.g. apple/android pay) to work with a metal back is an exercise in design compromise.

They usually end up putting the NFC coil in the largest open spot they can find, typically around the flash or camera lens, or in a radio window if there is one. You usually need a cut-out in the metal nearby as well - sometimes visible. The nfc coil has to be smallish, so you have to be more precise when using it.

@kepstin @staticsafe I don't get the point of it. If I have to put the phone in a specific spot, I might as well plug it in....

@staticsafe I was _sure_ they were going to pick the corporate closed standard made by Duracell or whatever. I would've bet money on it.

@staticsafe The good thing is that this means "Duracell Powermat" is finally dead, and Starbucks can retrofit all those installations in their stores that barely anyone uses.

@staticsafe sooo idk if it applies to Apple but I've seen videos of people unlocking face recognizing stuff by putting a printed photo in front of the camera.
Similar with touch. Search around for the CCC's research for details.
AFAIK biometrics in general are not secure. If you want the best security, suck it up and use a password.

@grainloom @staticsafe Even just a 5-6 digit PIN is better than any biometrics and really doesn't take that long to enter if you factor in the multiple attempts you'll often have to do until the sensor recognizes you

@elomatreb @grainloom The TouchID sensor in current and previous generation iPhones are extremely reliable and work 99% of the time for almost everyone.

There are a few edge cases where it might not work (finger is wet is the most common one).

@staticsafe I never owned one, but my father has an Ipad for work and the company used to mandate fingerprint auth, and he had to try 2-3 times every time

@staticsafe @elomatreb My problem is that it's "TouchID", there is a very good reason that eg. my Thinkpad's fingerprint reader (which i don't use) requires you to slide your finger: it deforms the skin.
The reason: 3d printed silicon fingerprints can't easily mimic the same deformations.

You being able to open it is just one part, the point is to also keep everyone else from doing so.

@grainloom @elomatreb if someone is determined enough to lift my print and use it to unlock my phone, they can have it.

That is not a realistic or feasible scenario for Apple to design for.

@staticsafe @grainloom An interesting aspect wrt this is that the police can get your fingerprints and other biometrics without a warrant, and you can't refuse (afaik that's how it is in the US)

@elomatreb @grainloom yes, this is related to the fifth amendment in the US constitution which has to do with being compelled to be a witness against oneself.

The PIN/passcode can be seen as providing information that may possibility incriminate oneself so you can plead the fifth while the fingerprint can be as simple as a LEO compelling you to put your finger on the device.

@staticsafe @elomatreb iPhones are used as company phones, no? In that case it's very much a realistic threat.

@elomatreb @staticsafe And it's kinda like... you can implement a secure password protected encrypted thingy for cheap
or develop an expensive fingerprint reader that doesn't guarantee much.

And a good password is harder to crack than your fingerprints. The CCC lifted a German politician's prints off of a coffee cup from a cafe he went to, then uploaded it online.

Meanwhile, password cracking takes a bunch of resources and guesswork.

@grainloom @staticsafe They took von der Leyens (ministry of defense) fingerprint from a press conference picture

@elomatreb @staticsafe really?Then I must be mixing stg up. Mea culpa!
But I definitely remember someone doing that....

@elomatreb @staticsafe Ok I can't find it anywhere so I have no idea why I remembered that. The heck.

@grainloom @elomatreb in case of politicians and corporate espionage threat model, they shouldn't be using a fingerprint at all (should be able to be enforced by system policy AKA Apple MDM)

The iPhone is a mass-market device to millions of otherwise normal people who do not have the threat model.

@grainloom yes, I'm aware of the downsides.

And as you mentioned, it is a compromise of convenience vs. absolute security.

It's a tradeoff because IIRC research showed that people opted to use no passcode at all before fingerprint sensors were available on the iPhone because it was inconvenient.

@staticsafe I've never been happy with phones with glass backs, but I keep buying them, dunno why... My Nexus 4 had a minor crack in the corner after a year, and my Sony Z5 Compact had a major crack within a couple of months.

(Sony's switched to metal/plastic now)